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Mr Pink57 · Aug 08, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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So may something like this be the new runner of today? Xinrae's got one hell of a buff I would say and with it is even viable for PvE (gasp).

pink

Miss Achaea · Aug 08, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

everything is viable for PvE.. Altough you dont need AoE dmg anymoar - no more VoD and NpcS balling. So you will want to defend your GUild Lord the best way and runthe flag best possible - to not just give the opposite team morale boost but also 100+ hp on guild lord... so Monk Runner > All other tbh..

Also a question, Could anyone seen a LIfe Bond, Shielding Hands runner? Altough its gonna be quite boring spamming shielding hands but wouldnt that almost make him quite invicible or much more surviveability?

fowlero · Aug 08, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Add in wielder's remedy and possibly even drop the offensive skills.

That's what i've seen evolve that works the best.

cgruber · Aug 09, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

It's pretty cool for all those snares they are gonna throw at the flag runner.

FoxBat · Aug 09, 2008, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Caretakers/channeled assisting on a spike is the only reason to run a rit flagger atm. (Well unstrippable guardian is nice too.) For pure defense, monks will do the job better, and for split offense/defense the thrice nerfed AoE is less useful than a good spike skill.

Seraphim of Chaos · Aug 09, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Take out Ancestor's or Splinter Weapon. Both of those skills were powerful for killing NPC's at VoD, but there's no such thing as VoD anymore...

Burton2000 · Aug 09, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

Dunno how your gonna maintain energy with recup on that bar and no caretakers.

Killed u man · Aug 09, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Burton2000

Dunno how your gonna maintain energy with recup on that bar and no caretakers.

Caretakers isnt energy management. The skill pays for itself, and itself only...

Div · Aug 09, 2008, 09:56 AM // 09:56

I think people are looking too much into the bar.

The question is: will xinrae's weapon replace wor in a flagger bar. The life steal is 5 higher than wor, with the ability to reduce next hit to 5% (great for protting against any spike damage). You lose the ability to take off a condition, which is pretty big on splits (where the wor/xinrae flagger shines vs something like caretakers/oos). It's certainly worth a try, but I'd still prefer wor, at least when theorycrafting.

But who knows. It's not like I've played this game outside of ABs since the update.

Abedeus · Aug 09, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

Maybe just throw in Wielder's Remedy and you have a uber WoR with uber PS effect.

Burton2000 · Aug 09, 2008, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Caretakers isnt energy management. The skill pays for itself, and itself only...

Yeah but in the time it takes to cast caretakers you've gained energy so constant use of it provides you with energy.

LifesRestorer · Aug 09, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50

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Originally Posted by Burton2000

Yeah but in the time it takes to cast caretakers you've gained energy so constant use of it provides you with energy.

this logic is dumb and fails. of course theres enough energy for recup, the bar displayed is the same bar as before except xinraes weapon used to be weapon of remedy.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Aug 09, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Burton2000

Yeah but in the time it takes to cast caretakers you've gained energy so constant use of it provides you with energy.

And LoD is essentially free.

Wielder's Remedy is pretty shitty, mostly because it's in spawning power, but also because it just kinda sucks.

Zuranthium · Aug 09, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Although the way he worded it is wrong, the general idea is correct. When you're using Recup + Kaolai + Warding on recharge, which you often need to, all of your energy is spent. Caretaker's gives you the ability to do something extra, since it is free.

~Z

Me<3You · Aug 09, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

WoR> Xinrae in PvP, And Xinrae>WoR in PvE imo.

The Rob Roy · Aug 15, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Spent a good few hours today running xinrae's, and against the gimmick builds that are being run now, Xinrae's > WoR

Xinrae's = 3 second recharge, which is faster than a normal spike = spike relief

it heals for roughly 80 health, no matter how much dmg is take, and works on spells also

Xinrae's also means that a ritualist can go on a solo gank and kill just about every npc in the GH (apart from those next to GL) which is what is going to be needed considering the removal of thiefs, as this will mean you spen less time fighting NPCs to get to the guildlord, possibly wasting 1minute of time

(on a side note, wielders remedy is not spawning powers, but indeed restoration magic, and combined with xinraes gives a very powerful heal)

Divinus Stella · Aug 15, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Time spent casting = energy management?

Damn i wish i'd known sooner, think of all that energy i've wasted in fast cast weapon sets...

Killed u man · Aug 15, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

Time spent casting = energy management?

Damn i wish i'd known sooner, think of all that energy i've wasted in fast cast weapon sets...

I won't lie, he actually had me thinking there for a second: "Hmm, he is right, you DO infact get energy back during the casting of caretakers"

Then I recalled the lovely blue bar with the 4 arrows we all love so much...

Mr Pink57 · Aug 15, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I think people are looking too much into the bar.

The question is: will xinrae's weapon replace wor in a flagger bar. The life steal is 5 higher than wor, with the ability to reduce next hit to 5% (great for protting against any spike damage). You lose the ability to take off a condition, which is pretty big on splits (where the wor/xinrae flagger shines vs something like caretakers/oos). It's certainly worth a try, but I'd still prefer wor, at least when theorycrafting.

But who knows. It's not like I've played this game outside of ABs since the update.

Thank god someone got what I was going for.

If you are spamming PWK, WoW, and Xinrea's on recharge that sounds like VoD which isnt happening anymore, if you are spamming these outside of old VoD it sounds like the mideline needs to step up to stop all this pressure.

Xinrea's I think will become part of the meta just like the ER Smiter has now too. It's just so different now not seeing VoD pop up and really really needing to push boosts for GL health.

pink

Snow Bunny · Aug 15, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

caretakers, channeled strike, Soothing memories = superior